mandela's freedom. >> so, there was always a sense of being able to see, to see the entirety of the context of everybody's life. >> but a great, great, great, great, great boss to have. if you're going to be told what to do -- >> let it be nelson mandela. >> thank you. >> he had a great sense of humor. >> i was very blessed because he loved oprah winfrey and oprah winfrey loved him and because of that, he was so gracious to everyone that came with her and we had the privilege of having dinner at his house, my children and i and i remember a moment at dinner, there was a dinner, very private dinner and my son will at the time, said, mr. mandela and you have to moment where you go, oh, my god, what are you going to say? will you please pass the peas.